tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15977843.post9008905308844383831..comments2023-11-10T08:26:51.182-06:00Comments on Beth Loves Bollywood: Chennai ExpressBeth Loves Bollywoodhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05540154833326987567noreply@blogger.comBlogger19125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15977843.post-4342745347008987252014-09-25T18:39:45.272-05:002014-09-25T18:39:45.272-05:00Beth, my issue with this film was the ending as we...Beth, my issue with this film was the ending as well. I mean, all through the film, Deepika is shown to know her own mind, and fight for what she wants. I can understand SRK coming back - it makes sense for his character. But I was hoping (<i>hoping</i>) that halfway through that dashed silly fight (where Nikitin Dheer looked like he could chomp SRK with one hand tied behind his back)that Deepika would pick up one of those many pots and break it over their heads saying that she was *not* some <i>gaay-bhains</i> to be fought over and handed to the winner. It would have made sense for Meenamma's arc. <br /><br />On the other hand, I've decided that I'm deeply in love with that girl. She is awesome! And is improving in leaps and bounds. Anuradha Warrierhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00340730648674805773noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15977843.post-35160519899232158022013-08-13T09:54:10.034-05:002013-08-13T09:54:10.034-05:00But why pay to see something in the cinema that...But why pay to see something in the cinema that's been on youtube for a few weeks? I guess that might work for people who are on the fence, like the idea of a Rajni tribute on the big screen is enough to tip their decision, but if you have no interest in the movie, I'm not sure how this would grab you enough to get you to the cinema, especially since he's not actually in it.Beth Loves Bollywoodhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05540154833326987567noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15977843.post-72947339331287235412013-08-13T09:51:18.798-05:002013-08-13T09:51:18.798-05:00I haven't seen this movie and don't plan t...I haven't seen this movie and don't plan to, but I assume that the Rajni tribute song is a blatant attempt to get Rajni fans in TN and elsewhere to see a movie they otherwise might not - same principle as the Rajni cameo in Ra One. Sharonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04940679541653715590noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15977843.post-33401694099188025422013-08-13T09:29:45.816-05:002013-08-13T09:29:45.816-05:00Tobi - I have learned via twitter that yes, the li...Tobi - I have learned via twitter that yes, the little person is a common "comic" element in Tamil films lately. I have only seen a handful of Tamil films and most of them older, so I can't speak to that myself.<br /><br />Subtitles: songs in the cinema, and even on some DVDs, depending on who released it, are very rarely subtitled, I've found. Big international releases don't seem to put any more effort into their subtitles than the average DVD maker, in my experience. I recommend working on as zen-like an approach to subtitles as you can muster. :) Beth Loves Bollywoodhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05540154833326987567noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15977843.post-40149706653151831142013-08-13T05:26:22.667-05:002013-08-13T05:26:22.667-05:00Sorry to bug u again but I was wondering if you or...Sorry to bug u again but I was wondering if you or any of your learned readers could help me out with something: does the scene with the little person echo a Tamil cinema trope, or was it just straight out of bizarro-land? <br /><br />And the subtitles irked me a little: fun-filled instead of fulfilled as you mentioned, plus two tiny snippets of SRK dialogue were unsubtitled. I'm used to botched subtitles, but It bothered me here because the film was promoted as this enormous international juggernaut. Oh, and the songs weren't subtitled either. It's a quibble, but then I guess I'm a quibbler!Tobihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09548671224753087061noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15977843.post-49520974458023599212013-08-12T17:56:27.641-05:002013-08-12T17:56:27.641-05:00Tobi - I think they could have done the "hero...Tobi - I think they could have done the "hero grows up" thing in a way that is more coherent and interesting, unfortunately. <br /><br />re: heroine: phew! :)Beth Loves Bollywoodhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05540154833326987567noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15977843.post-57501951691613842332013-08-12T16:37:05.377-05:002013-08-12T16:37:05.377-05:00Yes I realised several hours later that Rahul not ...Yes I realised several hours later that Rahul not running away was an important part of his own character arc and therefore kind of important/a major part of the movie's message (not so quick in the brains dept, me!). <br /><br />Oh, and my commitment to being a filmi heroine pretty much extends no further than dancing in a chiffon sari while a hunky hero makes lovey-dovey eyes at me :)Tobihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09548671224753087061noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15977843.post-83391594820043511162013-08-12T13:03:17.658-05:002013-08-12T13:03:17.658-05:00Ellie - That is very true, and it's done, I th...Ellie - That is very true, and it's done, I think, in order to make the hero seem more badass by having no one helping him in the fight. Sadly I think there's real truth to the idea that women aren't going to gain much until men start arguing for those rights and opportunities too, so to me that made a sad sort of sense. <br /><br />And I think the Rajni song is quite in character for SRK, but I'm not sure why I think that.<br /><br />Deepa - Hahaha yes, they are indeed, and I don't think I'd encourage anyone who doesn't like SRK to see this.<br /><br />icyHighs - Nice find with the Mamoootty and Mohanlal bit! <br /><br />Raja - I'm glad to have your thoughts! I'm with you on "but don't think about it" being offered as reason or excuse for any film, mostly because it creates a false dichotomy between entertainment and thinking. <br /><br />I think lesser stars would have brought FAR less interest in this film. I was wondering about that as I watched, and I decided that removing a superstar from most popular films would alter the film so much that trying to compare a version without that major force is not very useful. I'm sure there are some counter examples out there, but for the most part, star power, persona, charisma, etc is so essential in certain projects.<br /><br />The point I'm wondering about re: Rajni song is that other HIndi stars HAVE done southie-ish films and not done similar tributes - so what's different about this case (including the person doing it)? Salman has never done a "we <3 Mahesh Babu" song and I can't imagine he ever would (and not just for differences in opinion about shirt-wearing, either). <br /><br />Agree that much of this, including the heroine billing, is about brand. But again, of all the things he can do for his brand, why did he choose this one? And why haven't other guys chosen it too for their brands? <br /><br />Maybe ten years from now he'll do a really candid interview about it and I can know for sure. :) <br /><br />Liz - I truly don't get the Deepika praise. She's absolutely fine but to me it wasn't nearly as good a job as YJHD. <br /><br />Tobi - I was expecting a fight scene basically exactly like that and felt like this particular style of film would have felt really odd without it. It is very curious that they didn't just run away; I think having them turn back 1) showed emotional growth of the hero and 2) of course gave the hero a chance to be heroic in the form of getting beaten up. I suppose we could stretch it to say that turning back and dealing with the problem means Meena can keep her relationship with her father, which does seem to be important to her. <br /><br />And dear Helen above, why would you wish you were a filmi heroine? Yikes.<br /><br />Glad you enjoyed your first big-screen SRK! It's a treat. <br /><br />Dee B - Oh I know, but I think it's interesting that HE is doing it and not any of the other male superstars (that I know of). <br /><br />jenny - I wonder if there was something off with the version or screen in my cinema because I've heard lots of people raving about how good this film looked but I found it standard. Bright, but not in any kind of noteworthy way?<br /><br />The Talaivaa film thing is very funny - same situation in my cinema too. <br /><br />Unknown - It truly is a mess at the end. I like your suggestion for an ending a lot better. Beth Loves Bollywoodhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05540154833326987567noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15977843.post-33460325267631320602013-08-12T11:12:40.725-05:002013-08-12T11:12:40.725-05:00I, too, found the ending full of mixed messages. ...I, too, found the ending full of mixed messages. "Give your daughters agency, but let me have her only after I've successfully fought for her." WTF? It would have made much more sense if Rahul had foregone the "we're modern now" speech, fought the big scary dude for his own reasons [self-respect, etc.], won, and then said "By the way, Dad, I shouldn't have had to do this to win your daughter if I was who she wanted all along." I also feel that they did not sufficiently set up Rahul as an arrested-adolescent early in the film, which would have made the 2nd half make WAY more sense narratively (stepping up to be the next generation of manliness once Grandpa has died). <br /><br />Overall I gave it a meh-plus. Like you, I did not hate it and found plenty to like, but the ending and the EXCRUCIATINGLY LONG AND BLOODY fight scene ruined all my goodwill for this film.Julia Moorehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09026024767580534246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15977843.post-41980670424304746822013-08-12T09:19:05.814-05:002013-08-12T09:19:05.814-05:00I liked the cinematography and the dance numbers b...I liked the cinematography and the dance numbers best...loved those tea field shots! Lush! And there were a few cute moments (loved Deepika's train-running entrance), but I agree, I'm not going to be in any rush seeing it a second time.<br /><br />The last dance number/tribute was fun except for his junior-sized wardrobe (bleh). I didn't realize it was almost an in-house product placement number until I left the auditorium and found Vijay's film Talaivaa playing in the auditorium directly opposite. I assumed, incorrectly, that it was a Rajnikanth film and laughed with my friends that Rajni had said, "you can shoot in my hood if you advertise my next film."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15977843.post-39171787178745682492013-08-12T08:46:58.971-05:002013-08-12T08:46:58.971-05:00SRK's billing after the heroine is part of a p...SRK's billing after the heroine is part of a product placement too - it was part of an ad campaign for Tata Tea where SRK declared that he would always give his heroines top billing (Tata Tea has done other "social awareness" kind of campaigns in the past). The campaign ran a little after the Delhi rapes when public activism was very high, so in a sense, this is as calculated a move for SRK as any other.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11737559429258062397noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15977843.post-33443092847087457592013-08-12T08:22:31.210-05:002013-08-12T08:22:31.210-05:00I just wanted to clarify that my beef with Chennai...I just wanted to clarify that my beef with Chennai Express is with the ending. Lots of the other bits I really enjoyed!Tobihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09548671224753087061noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15977843.post-85787538115758611882013-08-12T07:55:37.345-05:002013-08-12T07:55:37.345-05:00I found the ending really horrible and medium-leve...I found the ending really horrible and medium-level batshit regressive. <br /><br />Really horrible because of that awful fight scene, altho it does make me laugh how the baddies always attack the hero one at a time, instead of just piling on and demolishing him in one go. It's film-fight etiquette! <br /><br />Regressive: well, I'm not entirely confident I know what regressive means, but I do know that I was majorly pissed off that Rahul pulled that old DDLJ trick of ignoring the utterly sensible idea to just run away. Really, if I was a filmi heroine (I wish!) and had decided for myself, as an adult, that I'd rather start a new life elsewhere than deal with my family problems (putting it mildly), then I'd be fairly boiling mad to be taken directly to confront said family by someone I thought I could trust.<br /><br />Instead of just sensibly fleeing, there's the macho posturing of confronting the father and fiancé and nearly getting beaten to death before daddyo finally releases his squirming daughter's wrist.<br /><br />The subtext I get is: a woman is an autonomous being with the right to choose her own fate, so that SRK can come along and prove that her choices are wrong. Somehow, getting badly beaten and having a lot of blood streaming down his face, before turning around n whipping some serious thug butt, is an important part of the lesson. Life is tough when you're the hero.<br /><br />Now that I've had a good rant, may I just add that I actually thoroughly enjoyed watching CE and was thrilled to see SRK on the big screen for the first time. Yes he was hammy-ham-chops but I love those chops!Tobihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09548671224753087061noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15977843.post-71625817516565546632013-08-12T00:53:59.936-05:002013-08-12T00:53:59.936-05:00Hmm, much to ponder. I was getting excited to see ...Hmm, much to ponder. I was getting excited to see this, if only because Deepika was getting praised (what can I say, I liked her a lot in Om Shanti Om.)<br /><br />I wonder if there are more songs in praise of other heroes in South movies in general. Prabhas has a song praising Rajinikanth in the movie Bujiguddu http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=prXgmt2MgMY, but it' also part of the character that he's spent time in Tamil Nadu and is a huge Rajni fan.dustdevil lizhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03564737263775943203noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15977843.post-64664226569266125562013-08-11T23:43:22.240-05:002013-08-11T23:43:22.240-05:00Haven't seen the movie, so my comment should b...Haven't seen the movie, so my comment should be seen in this context.<br /><br />Also, am neutral on SRK. Have always been. Comments to be seen in this context too. :-)<br /><br />1) I've read a lot of reviews too - and find many of them actually urging people to watch this, saying things like "there isn't much of a plot, the plot has plotholes, the movie's loud, the dialogues hackneyed, the constant references to DDLJ annoying, there's a lot of SRK hamming - but hey, keep all this aside and go watch the movie for fun".<br /><br />I don't get that. Wasn't content usually the first thing that drove a film? Or is that an old-fashioned mindset now?<br /><br />The question I ask is : If this had been a lesser star than SRK (say Sunil Shetty or Tushar Kapoor), would the reviews have been quite as charitable?<br /><br />2) About whether another actor would have paid a tribute to Rajni, sure. Why not? Rajni is seen as a Southie superstar, so any actor (incl Salman) would have had no issue whatsoever paying him a tribute. Also, it makes good business sense in a movie of this sort. So nothing special about it IMO.<br /><br />3) About SRK allowing the heroine's name to precede his in the credits, nice touch. Credit to him. Again, it makes good business sense - these things do make a difference in building a brand. <br /><br />And that's what SRK is all about. A brand. Every small thing that he can do to build his brand, he will. Nothing wrong with that.<br /><br />As long as we recognise it for what it is, shorn of its pretensions.<br /><br />Again, I don't think another actor would've had a problem doing the same. <br /><br />4) I might be sounding a tad harsh here on SRK. I don't mean to be. I continue to be neutral on him (as I am on almost all current-day actors actually).<br /><br />I'm just maybe a bit more of a "content" guy. I'll see any movie if has great content. I don't need a star to drive me to watch it. :-)<br />But that's just me. :-) To each his own, of course. :-)<br /><br />Glad to read this review, Beth. At least it gives me a different POV than many I've read so far.<br /><br />Rajahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06084456881187795771noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15977843.post-52870652821944209302013-08-11T22:05:45.866-05:002013-08-11T22:05:45.866-05:00I'll probably watch it for the same reason: SR...I'll probably watch it for the same reason: SRK. film songs celebrating other heroes would've been a great riff, though i can't think of any. unless you'd like a south indian option (Malayalam)- the two reigning superstars for oh 25 years now, mohanlal (hero of the movie) and mammootty (in a cameo as himself) in a chance drunken meeting on a train. cue token drunk-cute peck on cheek: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8O2NbcZi1Z8 Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00606857660947384949noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15977843.post-21311977244921470412013-08-11T21:45:24.097-05:002013-08-11T21:45:24.097-05:00Beth, your thoughts on CE are brimming with SRK lo...Beth, your thoughts on CE are brimming with SRK love... Wish i'd had this crutch to sit through the film. though your first observation is completely in line with mine. it's a better bet than JTHJ.Deepa Deosthaleehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02741557385292430129noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15977843.post-70182528896549952122013-08-11T21:07:07.070-05:002013-08-11T21:07:07.070-05:00Here again though. Super-points for the Yay-Rajni ...Here again though. Super-points for the Yay-Rajni song. Had not considered it, because it seemed oddly totally in character for SRK.Elliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04888019230555832929noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15977843.post-12346401260939515872013-08-11T21:00:44.970-05:002013-08-11T21:00:44.970-05:00"Batshit regressive" friend here! I foun..."Batshit regressive" friend here! I found it particularly a regressive ending precisely because during the whole film she'd had agency, and when it came to the crunch she was literally, physically being held apart from the action and from any agency; at least (SPOILER) he actually ASKED her to marry him, instead of assuming that was next, so that was points in favor. But that speech: it was a man standing up for women, and that was good, but meanwhile it was suggesting that women are, when it comes to it, utterly powerless and only when men stand up for them can they gain anything? When the MEN are convinced that women should be turned over to other men (I mean, that's what the movie did), then we're good to go-- but until other men are convinced, women are literally hostage. I don't know. Still think it had a batshit regressive ending. Elliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04888019230555832929noreply@blogger.com